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Thread: Round Headed Front Seat Fixing Bolts
Posted 20 March 2017 at 16:19:05 UK time
RC von Dullen, Virginia, USA, vondullen@hotmail.com

The above fasteners on YB0952 are threaded 1/4-20 UNC. They appear to be original. The self locking nuts fitted to them also appear to be original. They do not have the "locking" portion made from white nylon as is common today. It more resembles the material used on the red fiber washers fitted to the carbs and radiators on our cars. I do not recall finding any other UNC fasteners on this car.

Have other cars been found fitted with the same fasteners in this location? Were self locking nuts of this design uncommon, or unavailable, in BSF sizes at the time our cars were manufactured?

A small point of originality, but your experience is requested.

Posted 20 March 2017 at 18:08:51 UK time
Paul Barrow, Washington, USA

Hey Rocky

Can you post a picture please as I am completely at a loss as to what you are referring to?

Thanks

Paul

Posted 20 March 2017 at 22:39:29 UK time
RC von Dullen, Virginia, USA

David,

My apologies for my inability to express myself in an understandable manner.

I will try to post a photo of the fastener I reference by tomorrow. The bolt is 1 3/8" long X 1/4" diameter. I measure the nut as fitting a 7/16" AMERICAN wrench.

In the interim, you may find a photo of these parts as number J376 on the NTG web site: http://www.mgbits.com/contents/en-uk/search.php?searchphrase=j376.

These bolts are also described by David Lawrence in LTBY Ch 12 Sec 7.a Front Seats, pg 181 of the 1997 first edition.

They are further discussed in the article "Seat Bolt Gaps" in the HINTS & TIPS section of your website.

Again, I apologize for any confusion I have caused you and hope you, or your readers, can assist in answering my questions.

RCvD

Posted 21 March 2017 at 02:55:20 UK time
Paul Barrow, Washington, USA

Hi Rocky

Great link and that is what I thought you were asking about - just wanted to be sure.

My GUESS (and it is only that as it has been a long time since the late 1940s - early 1950s) is that the material is basic thread lock material but whether it was original or not ... who knows :)!

While it is great to strive for originality there are somethings it isnt too worthwhile chasing. I have to admit that I have absolutely no idea about the commonality of the material as I only got into cars in the 1980s. My guess though is that on components like this where vibration loosening could be a problem it was more typical for manufacturers in the 1950s to either use wire fastenings through castle nuts or else the use of shake-proof washers.

Maybe someone else knows??

Paul

Posted 21 March 2017 at 23:53:44 UK time
RC von Dullen, Virginia, USA

Paul,

Here is a photo of the seat runner nut and bolt from YB0952.

Rocky

Image

Posted 22 March 2017 at 06:02:42 UK time
Paul Barrow, Washington, USA

Many thanks Rocky - still no idea on the red stuff though :)

Anyone else any ideas please?

Paul

Posted 22 March 2017 at 09:16:51 UK time
D P Jones, Dyfed, United Kingdom

Hi, from the pic, they look to be identical to mine and thus probably original.

The nut shown is a common forbear of the modern nyloc stiff nut but as suspected, using a hard fibre. This type of nut was known pre WWII, as it is illustrated in a 1930's "machinery handbook" as is the "Aerolock" nut a stiff nut reliant on the distortion of the top threads (still available today) the caveat being they are both single use, unlike the nylock which can be reused.

Not sure if the fibre inset types are available now, but for the sake of originality I would be tempted to re-use but with a spot of modern thread locking liquid.

HTH Dave

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