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Thread: V8 Supercars
Posted 07 April 2017 at 12:30:44 UK time
William Revit, Tasmania, Australia

It's the Tasmanian round of the V8s here at Symmons Plains this weekend
First time here with the new spec tyres and man are they going
Van Gizbergen did a 50.8 sec lap in practice today and that gentlemen is bloody fast
The track record is held by Alfy in a Lola F5000 at 50.16 so these sedans are flying and and the record will possibly go-depending on the weather a bit
To put it in perspective, the fastest I've been round there was 1min12secs in a well sorted v8B road car
The fastest MG time round there was a lightweight mid engine Midget at I think 1-07 or 8
So these sedans are like lightening when you look at 17 seconds faster laps

willy

Posted 07 April 2017 at 15:54:59 UK time
John Shep, Victoria, Australia

Crikey Willy,

That record must be nearly 40 years old!!

IIRC Alfie was the Gold Star winner (Aust Drivers Champion) from 1980-1983

Excellent pedaller.

Posted 07 April 2017 at 16:38:11 UK time
Malcolm Le Chevalier, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom

I went to the clipsal 500 when I lived out in oz 10 years ago. It was such a brilliant event. The Australians know how to put on a party!

Ahhh... Fun times. Enjoy the action Willy.

Posted 07 April 2017 at 19:20:53 UK time
1 Paper, Missouri, USA

Dont say that to loudly... if we in america find out your having to much fun we may come down and bomb your asses all the way back to england

You know we dont like it if you color outside OUR coloring book lines

Is Australia the only place on planet earth we the USA hasnt bombed or attacked in our 200 and some odd years of existance...

Thats hard to belive... this race thing could be a game changer


Prop

Posted 08 April 2017 at 00:45:25 UK time
William Revit, Tasmania, Australia

John
Good memory you've got there, I've had to go and look it up, couldn't believe the record was that old
Alf Constanzo--Lola T430 March 1980 -- 50.16

The dices between him and old mate Bowe in the Elfin were fantastic
John lived just round the corner from me here back then and his father Brian used to hire a 12 seater plane and a group of us would follow the series of races

I think the car/driver that impressed me the most back then was Vern Schupan in that big Elfin sporty
It was fantastic hearing it getting unhooked over the finishline straight at Winton and him with his foot still buried right into it
Ahhh memories
willy

Posted 08 April 2017 at 01:07:59 UK time
Martin , Washington, USA

I've watched some of the races when somebody decides to let us see them. Basically a two car race, Holden versus Ford so it really comes down to driver ability. Some of those drivers have (as David Hobbs says) large attachments.

With all of the advertising on the cars they look a lot like NASCAR making it hard to tell them apart. Especially if a team has two cars. That and not being familiar with the drivers.

Posted 08 April 2017 at 08:40:55 UK time
William Revit, Tasmania, Australia

Martin
You are spot on
All the cars run the same chassis(NASCA style), brakes,transaxle etc
so it just comes down to body panel choice and each manufacturer's engine and they are also rev limited
They are on control tyres and the regulators tell them what final drive ratio they can use at each track
A lot goes into setup , spring choice and reliability but as you say the driver has to come up with the goods or they get run over

willy

Posted 08 April 2017 at 10:44:57 UK time
b higginson, Cheshire, United Kingdom

Are any of you Oz guys old enough to remember the Tasman series? If so, you'll remember it ran during the European winter and many of the F1 teams and drivers used to go south and have a great time in the sun racing against each other and the local drivers in Australia and New Zealand.
We didn't get to see much of it in the UK, but I followed it avidly in "Motoring News" Happy days!
It would be great if the F1 boys of today were allowed to be more diverse. I can remember my all time hero, Ronnie Peterson driving F1, F2 and BMW saloons.

We do get the V8 Supercars on TV here and they are fantastic.

Still on my bucket list is the big Bathurst race at Mount Panorama.

Bernie.

Posted 08 April 2017 at 12:51:00 UK time
William Revit, Tasmania, Australia

Bernie
You're starting to make me feel old now-I can remember going to the Longford round of the Tasman series quite well-My father ran a Ford dealership back then and looked after a guys cortina that raced there in the support races and we always went along- Actually John Yuel from here that used to race in the Tasman series owns the farm 'Symmons Plains' and built the track that the v8s are racing on this weekend
Have a look at this on youtube-------

Tasman Longford Champs 1964 - YouTube

Been to Bathurst a few times--it's good to experience it but honestly, you see heaps more on telly than you do at the track-----it is good there though, and a lot steeper , higher up the top than it looks on the box-

willy

Posted 08 April 2017 at 14:03:52 UK time
davidsmith, Wokingham UK

Bernie these days the big race at Bathurst is the 12 hour endurance for GT3 cars etc in February. I was lucky to be there about 5 years ago just as it was starting to attract teams from outside Oz and factory support from Europe and it's grown a lot since then. Supercars seems a bit like 5 hours of BTCC and attracts the same sort of audience (bogans) while the 12-hour is a bit more subtle.
Now if only we could wind the clock back to the time when it was the James Hardie 1000 and Tom Walkinshaw took pole in the Jag....

Posted 21 April 2017 at 00:18:49 UK time
Martin , Washington, USA

Just finished watching the race. It was on at a very inconvenient hour so I recorded it. One hour show that took 43 minutes of watching after skipping through the adverts so you can imagine how much of the race I got to see after the long winded introduction and the mandatory post-race interviews. I remember the track from last year. Short! And that 180 degree hairpin is really tight! Of the first race they only showed a couple of highlights, mostly the multi car pile up. The second race was more interesting although they kept skipping laps so the continuity just wasn't there. But it did give some of the flavor of the race. But nothing like being at the track.

Posted 21 April 2017 at 02:03:52 UK time
William Revit, Tasmania, Australia

Martin
Yeah the weekend was a bit -------wet
You didn't miss much of the first race--They had the pile up and by the time it was all sorted out and the track cleared, they got the pace car out there and time had run out so the cars got to race for half a lap under the yellow and that was the end of day one
Second day was better, but as you say commercial telly kills it specially when the race is shown as a shortened highlight sort of program skipping all over the shop--
As far as the track goes, yeah, compared to some others I suppose it's on the shorter side but for it's size it's a fast track and magic to drive on if your car is up to scratch-- You need good brakes, it would be one of the hardest tracks about for brakes with basically three or two and a half straights with three big full speed braking areas

David
The endurance race , well yes it's a good race but I dis agree that it's better than the October race
Winding the clock back to Walkinshaw days would be a big mistake-back then it was a money race, the more you had the faster you went
The racing now is heaps closer-and fairer on everybody
Even Walkingshaws son runs a team in it----
It's cut-throat and fast-not like the Feb race but these cars are also capable of endurance racing as the later half of the season shows with bathurst being the big race

bogans--a bit harsh-sir

willy

Posted 21 April 2017 at 12:03:59 UK time
mark heyworth, Lancashire, United Kingdom

I was working at woomera a few years ago and holden team turned up for a few days of testing their V8 cars

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Posted 21 April 2017 at 12:05:52 UK time
mark heyworth, Lancashire, United Kingdom

one hell of a service truck they had with them

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Posted 22 April 2017 at 13:05:47 UK time
William Revit, Tasmania, Australia

Mark
Interesting
Pre-season testing is very regulated and 'some' teams test in unmarked cars
Sending the transporter out with identifying signwriting was a bold move---the officialdom would have loved that------not---if they had known
The racing is at Philip Island this weekend but the weather looks a bit dampish again though----

willy

Posted 22 April 2017 at 16:49:43 UK time
Martin , Washington, USA

Wet always makes for interesting racing. Especially when the drivers opt for slicks.

Posted 22 April 2017 at 20:16:40 UK time
mark heyworth, Lancashire, United Kingdom

William
both Holden and Ford where there at the same time Ford were a bit more secretive and would not let us photo them.

Posted 23 April 2017 at 09:00:07 UK time
William Revit, Tasmania, Australia

Mark
Apparently the fine for illegal testing can be up to $250000 and loss of points in the series
They get six test days a year at designated tracks
It wouldn't have been 2004 by chance--I found the following for your interest------from 2004

I'm thinking it might be best not to say much more ???
-------------------------------------------------

SUPERCAR racing has been rocked by allegations of illegal testing against a top team.

The claims, which surfaced on an internet chat room site last week, are now the talk of the sport.

Individual V8 Supercar teams are allowed only six individual test days a year at designated tracks to ensure a fair balance between teams.

As such, illegal testing is regarded as the most heinous crime in the sport.

In the only verified case, in 2004, the Adelaide-based Team Dynamik was fined $132,000 and virtually banished from the sport after allegations they had tested illegally at Woomera rocket range.

The chat room allegations are not specific about which of the 17 V8 Supercar teams is involved in the latest allegations.

However several V8 teams acknowledge the team in question is identifiable because of information included in the chat room site.

The chat room allegations suggest the team has tested illegally several times in the off-season and during the current season.

Illegal testing is a hard allegation for V8 Supercar officials to prove, as teams have to be caught in the act. Insiders say the stringent penalties available to the sport - and the public ramifications and shame - are the best safeguard, virtually precluding any such dirty tricks.

In the Team Dynamik case, V8 officials were tipped off and drove to Woomera to catch the team in the act, taking photos as evidence, but officials later admitted they got lucky.

Kelvin O'Reilly, the general manager of TEGA which represents and polices the V8 Supercar teams in the sport, said yesterday that he was aware of the current web allegations.

"If we had evidence to support the allegations they would be treated just as seriously, if not more so, than the breaches which occurred at Woomera two years ago," O'Reilly said.

"But unless we have got some incontrovertible evidence it occurs, how do you prosecute?.

"If credible witnesses were to come forward to give us something to build a case with then we would not hesitate.

Posted 23 April 2017 at 10:08:44 UK time
mark heyworth, Lancashire, United Kingdom

William it was October 2006

Posted 23 April 2017 at 10:28:20 UK time
GuyW, Cumbria, UK

The text Willie has quoted is referring to a suspected incident in 2006, 2 years after "the only verified case, in 2004". It doesn't state where this second case occurred but maybe that was what Mark saw in Oct 2006, also at Woomera.

Posted 24 April 2017 at 03:12:30 UK time
William Revit, Tasmania, Australia

I'm well and truely pulling my head in on this--- bye

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