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Thread: Yikes! Winter's coming...
Posted 22 September 2006 at 10:55:18 UK time
dave lackey, Georgia, USA

Wow!! Never thought I would see negative temperatures on this post....and I thought those BMW riders were tough!!!

Gordon, love that photo!

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Posted 22 September 2006 at 01:18:42 UK time
Gordon A. Clark, Rockburn, Qué., gordclark@securenet.net

Approx. Fev. 15th, 1951. I drove mt TD - top down, of course to the Laurentiens for a day of skiing. Not a cloud in the sky -32°f at 7:am.

At noon, I started the car and let it run while I had lunch. At 4:PM it started first crack. The drive home in the dark was bittely cold. I wouldn't do THAT again, even for bragging rights!

Gord Clark
Rockburn, Qué.

Posted 21 September 2006 at 23:53:07 UK time
L Karpman, Texas, USA

I love that picture! Nice! Bribgs back memoeries :-)


Posted 21 September 2006 at 23:12:21 UK time
gblawson - TD#27667, ontario, canada, gblawson@vaxxine.com

About 20 degrees F....

Still my favourite photo: http://www.gblandco.com/gb/2006winter/td332.jpg

Posted 21 September 2006 at 22:38:49 UK time
L Karpman, Texas, USA

I had my last TD when I lived in Anchorage, Alaska in 1990. I had to drive it one February day at -22F to get it from one storage unit to another about 5 miles. Top up, no side curtains, no heater. Wore my arctic flight suit (Refrigiwear), no mukluks (to wide for the pedals), lined gloves, and fur lined hood. Wasn't bad at all :-) I still have one of my personalized AK license plates tacked to my garage wall here in TX("MG 53").

Posted 21 September 2006 at 22:17:16 UK time
dave lackey, Georgia, USA

Following Gordon's lead, I am bored today soooo...

What is the coldest weather you have driven your TD/TF in?

Top up or down?


Posted 21 September 2006 at 15:26:24 UK time
Carl Floyd, Tennessee, USA, cmfloyd@yahoo.com

"Going down to 40*F here tonight!"

We hit 42 very early this morning here in east TN. Fall is in the air.

Posted 21 September 2006 at 15:19:24 UK time
Larry Brown, Georgia, USA, lvb@alltel.net

Dave, that should help.
Were you at Norcross last week? Good show.
Lunch sounds good, but I am going to do Carlisle and Hershey, so I will be out of pocket for a while. Larry

Posted 21 September 2006 at 14:02:36 UK time
George R Herschell, New York, USA, gherschell@mgcarclub.com

George B,

I used to see Larry Rupp at the NE MG T Registers events but haven't been to one in a few years. He had some really nice quality stuff although pricy but it was good material. I still have a couple of the shirts and hats I bought from him. The stuff never wears out. Have you checked him out on the internet?

George Herschell

Posted 21 September 2006 at 13:18:24 UK time
George Butz, Florida, USA, geebee3@verizon.net

Larry, You are sure right about the icy stuff in Georgia. Back in the early 80s while at Emory, we watched cars come over the crest of the hill on Clairmont in front of the VA hospital, hit the ice, and slide into a giant pile-up at the bottom. A MARTA bus also. Being a student at the time, we thought it spectacular and really funny and never considered flagging drivers down! How about a thick wool blanket? Lederman-Rupp (?) used to have those with the MG logo/union jack embroidered, but they seem to have disappeared. Anyone know what happened to them? George

Posted 21 September 2006 at 10:57:16 UK time
dave lackey, Georgia, USA

You're on!! Put me down for the heater. Also, put me down for buying you lunch on a Saturday, soon. Would love to meet as many folks as I can!

Now, how do I PM you? Haven't figured out that part of this board yet....

Oh, yeah, it is 42 F as I write this today. Gettin really cozy...

Best regards,


Posted 21 September 2006 at 10:07:46 UK time
gblawson - TD#27667, ontario, canada

We were on a family trip to Florida one year in the 60's and 2" of snow fell in Tennessee.... there were five of us and we were driving a 1954 Buick Special... summer tires... The police were flagging everyone over and warning them not to drive... they waived us on! The next hour or so was better then the movies.... cars everywhere!!!!!

Posted 21 September 2006 at 03:35:56 UK time
Larry Brown, Georgia, USA

Hey Gordon. In North Georgia, we have a good snow about once every three years. By good, I mean a couple of inches. Since no one knows how to deal with it, it paralyzes everything til it melts. Usually a couple of days. Schools and businesses close. The DOT attacks with salt, sand, plows. It melts, freezes back over, and then the fun begins with black ice, worse than the snow. Since no one knows how to drive in ice and snow, you are taking your life in your hands to venture out. I have taken the TF out in fresh snow with no problems, top down, having a good time.

Posted 21 September 2006 at 02:42:21 UK time
gblawson - TD#27667, ontario, canada

Just got back from an evening run with the club...it is about 44 degrees F tonight. With the top up and sidecurtains in, the car was about as toasty as could be... It isn't until the 30's or below that your left leg goes a bit numb!!!

Posted 21 September 2006 at 02:21:57 UK time
Gordon A. Clark, Rockburn, Qué., gordclark@securenet.net

They don't know what salt is, in Georgia (right, Larry?).

I don't have up-to-date numbers, but in the 2003-2004 winter, the Roads Department here in Québec, spread 660,000 metric tonnes on our roads, and they (the Gov't, that is) owns their own salt mine on the Madeline Islands.

So you ask ... do you drive your MG in the winter? I drove my TC in 1951 and my TD in 1952 when I drove it for the last winter. Salt was introduced the next year.

Gord Clark

Posted 21 September 2006 at 01:19:00 UK time
George R Herschell, New York, USA, gherschell@mgcarclub.com

This subject is very close to my heart because I drove a TD for six years as a second car (1959 - 1966)
here in Rochester NY. And yes it does get very cold here and we do have a substantial amount of snow. First I agree that the heater will keep the (whichever) side of your foot warm and that's about all. The other problem is the "misting" or "frosting" of the inside of the windscreen. A gloved hand works well for that. BUT the most important thing, if you park it outside while at work or overnight, you will need a good snow brush and I would suggest carry8ing it with you. First you need to off brush off the outside of the car and then the inside as well. I have had to clean the seats before getting in as the side curtains are just as effective as the wipers. (Slightly less that inadequate) BUT it was the most sure footed little car you could find in snow and ice. Never once in those six years did I get stuck in a snow bank with that car. But it was also six very cold winters driving back and forth to work every day six days a week. I lived about 13 miles from the office. I wouldn't trade that experience for anything. Now I put the MG's "up" for the winter. That same TD (since restored), my TF and my B.
I do drive the B until the snow flies and the heater in that works quite well and keeps us quite comfortable.

I wish you well driving during a T series car in the
winter. "Been there, done that".

George Herschell

Posted 21 September 2006 at 00:39:29 UK time
tm peterson, Illinois, USA

dave i installed a heater late this summer. it puts out a lot of heat, but i agree with all of the comments about warming the drivers right leg (LHD) or the pax left leg. doesn't do much more than that with top down. i have not taken her out with the top up, but i don't plan on doing any top up driving. it may help my bride if she has her car blanket with her and directs the warm air under the blanket. regards, tom

Posted 21 September 2006 at 00:21:06 UK time
Gene Burgess, Ontario, Canada

I put a heater into the TF last year and it added greatly to the months that you can drive these little gems, longer into the fall, and earlier in the spring. I'd sure hop onto Larry Brown's Arnolt and fittings, if you are so inclined. The one in my car I converted from a modern tractor, which necessitated cutting down the size of the housing, just to get it to fit under the dash, and repainting. Two hints: (1)give yourself enough hose inside of the car, to the heater from the firewall, so that you can unbolt the heater from its mounting point, and set the entire unit to one side of the tranny hump, without having to unhook any plumbing. This will allow you to get at the top of the tranny hump to fill the tranny with fluid and check its level. (2)put a ball cock valve or equivalent in one of the hoses under the hood (bonnet) to shut off the coolant flow during the summer. Believe me, not doing so will really make it uncomfortable on those 90 plus days with this added heat from the heater, fan off or not.

Posted 20 September 2006 at 23:47:11 UK time
Derek Nicholson, Upstate New York & Montreal, derek_up_north@rocketmail.com

Cold in Georgia? Come on up here in February if you want cold!

Going down to 40*F here tonight!


Posted 20 September 2006 at 23:13:01 UK time
Larry Brown, Georgia, USA

Dave, I have an Arnolt with all the fittings. Just needs painting. Pmail if you have an interest. Thanks. Have a good trip this weekend. Larry

Posted 20 September 2006 at 13:23:37 UK time
gblawson - TD#27667, ontario, canada

Hey...sounds like the UK heaters are the same as the Canadian ones...!!!
All in all, it does make it a bit more comfortable...!

Posted 20 September 2006 at 12:53:43 UK time
David Wardell, Milton Keynes, UK

My TF has an original aftermarket KL heater which blasts out unbelievable amounts of hot air.
Doesn't do any good though ... with the sidescreens on, the heater warms the left side of your left leg (or right side of your right leg depending on whether you are in the UK or USA, or driver or passenger, you get the picture) while the opposite side is still cold due to draughts through doors, wind coming backwards into the cabin etc.
With the hood (top) up the heater can make things quite claustrophobic while you still have a cold right side of your right leg (or left side of your left leg etc etc ...).
Mind you, it's a good talking point - 'It's actually got a heater!' - looks of disbelief of fact and of effectiveness.



Posted 20 September 2006 at 12:03:44 UK time
gblawson - TD#27667, ontario, canada

The heater takes the 'edge' off...certainly doesn't keep one 'warm'...but does take that damp cold away from the cockpit... My doors don't fit quite as tight as they should and 'scoop' cold air onto my legs...sealing the space helps a lot.
I found the exact same one a few months ago and just sold it this past Monday...
They show up on ebay (the original English aftermarket ones) and go for between $150 and $250. Any 1940's through the firewall ones should work...Just a few hours work to install....

Posted 20 September 2006 at 11:10:22 UK time
dave lackey, Georgia, USA

Just checking the calendar and discussing our Great Adventure with my bride this weekend and realized that colder weather is on the way. Just a matter of time!

Her question: "We don't have a heater?"

My answer: "Uh, no, but I don't think we will need one with the curtains on and body heat." All the while crossing my fingers...

Her response: "Boy, I am sure gonna miss the rides in the MGB with the heater going, used to keep me soooo warm and cozy."

Silence ensues....

SO! What is the reality of not having a heater? Seems like I saw somewhere that Gordon Lawson has a neat looking heater installed in his TD. No idea where to get one, so I may need some suggestions.

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,


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